*Editor’s Note: This transcript has been edited and condensed for clarity.

Robin:

We are so excited today to talk to Bruce Lipton. Bruce, I’m honored to connect with you. We’ve known each other for years—we won’t tell how many years—and it’s exciting to be able to include you in our book, “The ABCs of Murmuration.” So, thank you for agreeing to do an interview with us.

Bruce:

Listen, I am honored to do it with you. I’ve seen what you’ve been able to do over all those years of helping all those people change their belief systems and give them an opportunity to create the life that they desire, rather than the one they’ve been programmed to live.

Robin:

Exactly, and that’s where we’re going to talk. We’re going to move through a few questions. The idea with this is we’re working with the concept in nature of the starlings, which are individual birds that merge together. And then eventually, we see what’s called a murmuration—which is the flock of sometimes millions of birds flying in these beautiful formations. And so, in our book, we’re taking the individual as a ME, a team or a small group, as a WE, and then wanting them to merge into an organization or a collective culture of US. One of the things I love that you were able to do is you can go dive into the cell level but you can also expand up into the spiritual level. We’re inviting people to look at walking a new way to forge a new path instead of keep doing the same thing over again that’s gotten us to a certain place that’s not going to get us further into the future. What could you express about what’s important or what’s critical for human effectiveness to start to walk a new way to find a new path?

Bruce:

Okay, well let’s start with a most important concept, and that is many people have seen the movie called The Matrix, and it’s listed as science fiction. I refer to it as a documentary. And the reason I refer to it as a documentary is because of the principle behind the whole film—that we’ve all been programmed. I go, ‘Well, that’s not science fiction, that’s reality,’ and they also bring up in the film the concept of someone taking the ‘red pill’ where you can get out of the program. I need people to understand, most of us, as we’ll get into the conversation, have already taken that red pill and have profoundly changed their lives. So, let’s start with premise number one: programming. The idea is very important. The brain is not like a computer. The brain is a computer. It is the most advanced computer on the planet that we know about. ‘Well, why do I need to bring this up?’ And I go, ‘Because it’s the same operation system principles as in your laptop computer.’ Well, let’s then refer to the laptop and then take it back to the brain, and the idea is this: A while back, when we used to buy a laptop, we come home with it, plug it in, and then push start, and the screen lights up, it’s booted, it’s ready to go.

And then I say, well, let’s do something.

And then you go, well, not yet?

I go, what do you mean NOT yet?

Oh no, first we have to put some programs in there that you can access and then use those programs.

And guess what? The human brain boots up in the last trimester of pregnancy, three months before you’re born—when the screen comes on.

I go, ‘Yeah, so let’s use it.’

I say no.

Same computer issue. You can’t use this computer until you put programs in it.

I go, ‘How do you put programs in it?’

The universe has taken care of that for us.

I go, ‘What do you mean?’

The reason why I’m going to bring this up is, how many rules do you think it takes to become a member of a functional family? And how many rules do you need to know to be a functional member of a community? And suddenly you go, ‘Oh my God! A Thousand Rules!’

How a dad talks to his own child is not how the dad talks to the neighbor’s child. And how the dad talks to his partner versus how the dad talks to the neighbor’s partner, or how the dad talks to the policeman, and all of a sudden, you start to say well wait… Each one of those is, you had to learn how to make those responses. So now we’re dealing with thousands of responses that have to be learned, and this child’s an infant child cannot read, can’t even sit up in a desk. The child is not functional at that level—you can’t take it to school.

I say, “Yeah, but it’s got to learn the rules as soon as possible.” I say, “Ah, well, that’s where nature steps in, and where nature steps in is simply this: Nature is recognizing a simple fact. It’s that you’ve got to learn all these rules, but how can you learn them when you’re an infant?” Then, nature created the first seven years of your life as a time of downloading programs. It takes seven years to fully download all the programs necessary to become a member of this world. And I go, “Well, how did it do that?”

And I go, when you put wires on a person’s head, you could read their brain activities, called EEG (electroencephalogram), and the significance of that is it shows that the brain operates at different vibrational energy frequencies. There are high frequencies where consciousness steps in and takes control, such as Beta, or Alpha, which is a calm consciousness. But below consciousness, there are vibrations that are functioning that are below consciousness, and I mean they’re operating without you paying any attention. And I say, what processor are these? And I say, well, number one is Theta—is a vibrational character of a child, very predominant in the first seven years. So, what is Theta? Well, functionally, it’s characterized as imagination. This is how children can mix the real world and the imaginary world simultaneously. You know that famous tea party—you pour nothing into the cup, you drink nothing, and that was the best tea you ever had in your life! Well, that’s imagination and reality coming together. That’s Theta, and children play a lot under age seven, even with imaginary people. They’re playing, okay? Theta is hypnosis. What does that mean? It says the information that’s coming in during Theta does not go into the conscious mind; it goes into the program called the subconscious mind.

Two minds? Well, that’s another critical point because we always say—the mind…the mind. Why are there two different functioning minds that have different behaviors? They integrate, but you have to understand that they’re different minds.

So, what are they? Well, the first development of the mind is called the subconscious mind. They go below consciousness activity. Who is controlling your blood pressure? Who’s controlling your body temperature? Who’s controlling the movements of your body? These are controlled by the part of the brain called the subconscious. It operates profoundly important things in keeping your life in harmony and all that kind of stuff. Goodness, and the unique character of the subconscious mind is that it is not a creative mind. It’s a programmable mind, so if you learn something, you don’t have to relearn it. And this is a great boon to us, you know? I’ll give you an example: Listen, when did you learn how to walk? Oh, before you were two? Are you still walking? Same program. It’ll be there your whole life. So, all of a sudden, you start to recognize the programs that come in are pretty concrete in the sense that they are programmable. They’re in the system, and the subconscious can access them. Subconscious programmable mind through evolution. There was the evolution of what is called the conscious mind. What’s the conscious mind? Well, the conscious mind is the creative mind, and as you go up to the high Animal Kingdom and you get to humans—why are we different than all the other animals? And the fact is we have creativity. We have imagination. Where does that come from? That’s the new development of the mind, right behind your forehead, a big lobe of tissue called the prefrontal cortex. That’s the conscious seat. What is that? That’s where you are. That’s where your personal identity is—that’s where your spirit resides. You are in the conscious creative mind—the back mind, which is a million times more powerful. The subconscious mind is where all the programs are. The programs get us off the ground, and as I said, when you had your computer—first, you put the programs in, and then you can start to use the keyboard. And the keyboard is where you put the information into the computer. The hard drive has got programs in it. Aha! The human brain, for the first seven years, downloads programs into the hard drive, subconscious mind. By age seven, the more predominant activity that begins is called conscious activity. Where you can type in wishes and desires. Manifest what you want. You’re programming your mind, using your creativity.

So, this is really cool; now the problem with this is an issue that comes in. Well, what’s the problem? Yes, a conscious mind is creative. Yes, that’s the one. If I asked any of you, “What do you want? What do you want?” The answer comes from the creative conscious mind. Now the subconscious mind’s got the programs—how to be a member of a family, how to be a member of a community, who you think you are… When you’re a child, you have no personal reflection of yourself; you’re looking out, but you don’t see yourself as a part of the community until consciousness steps in. Then you look in the mirror and go—oh my God, I’m one of those people. And when consciousness kicks in, then one of the first things we really ask is well, “Who am I?”. Well, where do you think you get the answer from?  Not from the creative mind that hasn’t experienced anything yet, so it gets it from what other people tell you are. 

Scenario: (Not for most people on this whole planet, but here’s the scenario) You’re a kid, and your parent is talking to you, and this is what your parent says, “Well, you’re the smartest, most beautiful, most talented person. You’re so powerful, you’re a creator, you can do anything you want on this planet. You have the freedom to enjoy and create your life.” Yeah, most of us never got that. Instead, most of us got this [scenario] one: “That’s not good enough. Who do you think you are? You don’t deserve this.” Now, when parents were saying that—let’s give a reason why. They weren’t trying to put you down forever. They were irritated at the moment.

Robin:

About your behavior, not you, right? 

Bruce:

Yeah, your behavior was not what they were excited to see, right? They wanted to correct that for you, and they acted like a coach on a sports team.

Robin:

What do you mean?

Bruce:

Let’s say a player isn’t performing up to their ability, and the coach knows it, so the coach doesn’t go over and go, ‘Oh, would you please do better?’ No. The coach goes over and says, “That’s not good enough. You’ve got to do better. You know you don’t deserve to be on this team.” Well, this child, at that team level, is old enough to be aware—conscious. And the meaning to that child is—“Oh, the coach is talking about me not performing. AH! I will perform better.”

But if the coach, the “parent,” is saying these things and the child is under seven, the child’s not thinking. What’s the child doing? Recording. What did you record? “I’m not good enough. I’m not deserving. I’m not lovable.” These are programs in the subconscious. If you had been older when you heard those things, you would have understood that they weren’t talking about the rest of your life. They were just talking about being irritated at that moment because you were crying and making a scene. But the problem is they didn’t recognize that when they were saying these things, and you were under seven, that you yourself were downloading those exact words as a recording in your subconscious program.

There are a lot of programs in the subconscious that will sabotage you. And I say, but I’m not going to use that. I’m going to use the conscious mind and create. Great idea, but the big problem—the monkey wrench that has changed the whole planet… What is that problem? The problem is the conscious mind can do two different things. What do you mean? The conscious mind could look out your eyes… like imagine just for a second you’re a vehicle, and your eyes are the windshield, and your mind is looking at the windshield saying, “Hey, let’s go here, let’s do this, let’s create that…” So, the conscious mind is driving the vehicle, directing toward what you want to do.

What else can the conscious mind do besides being creative? It can think! What the heck does that mean? Thinking is not looking out. Thinking is looking in—a thought is on the inside, so you have to redirect consciousness from looking out and turn it around to look in.

So, I asked my beautiful partner, Robin. I say, well, today’s Tuesday when we’re doing this. Can you tell me what you’re doing on Friday? And she can, and it’s not even written in front of her. I said, Robin, where’d you get the information about what you’re doing on Friday? And Robin nodded her head, and I say, she thought about it. What does that mean “when thinking about it”? She redirected her total attention to inside—what’s going on, where am I going, what’s happening. But then you have to say this, but isn’t she supposed to be looking out while driving the car? Yeah, but what if she’s looking inside? She’s not driving the car. And this is real life for all of you out there right now because you do this all the time—you’re in the car, and all of a sudden, you start thinking, and guess what? You were not driving the car. But I didn’t hit anything, and I seem to be going the right speed limit, I’m going to the right place, and all that.

Aha! This finally gets to the core of the problem that we’re going to deal with, and that is simply this—when the conscious mind is busy doing other tasks, the subconscious mind is autopilot that will take over the control of the system of things. It knows how to do. Does it know how to drive a car? Of course! You practice; you made a habit of it. Does it know how to ride a bicycle? Yeah, you got on the bike, you practiced. You made a habit out of it. Can you play a music instrument without the notes? Yes, you practiced. You made a habit out of it.

So, what’s the point? Now comes the crux of the issue—BABOOM!!! What is it? We think 95% of the day! So? I said no, you didn’t get it yet. When you’re thinking, you’re not being your creative self. When you’re thinking, you gave control to the programs in the subconscious autopilot. But those programs didn’t come from you. Well, that’s where the problem comes from because you’ve copied other people’s behavior, and when you’re not paying attention because you are thinking, what’s playing is the program right out of the subconscious, and you’re the one that can’t see the program. Why? Because you’re not even looking out at yourself. You’re looking in, so whatever is coming out, you don’t see it.

A famous story I’ve been telling for 40 years (Robin’s heard it about a thousand times) involves a friend whose behavior you know very well, and you happen to know this friend’s parent. One day, you see your friend exhibiting the exact same behavior as their parents. And you go, “Hey Bill! You’re just like your dad!” Back away from Bill because I know, and you know exactly what Bill is going to say and has said. He’s going to say, “How can you compare me to my dad? I am nothing like my dad.” And everybody laughs because they’ve experienced that, and then I go guess what? We are all Bill; we are doing this 95% of the day. Are you playing the desired wishes of your life, or are you playing the programs you downloaded from others who didn’t answer your wishes, and they had their own problems, which are now your problems. And you’re playing them. You don’t see them. What is the resolution in your mind without knowing that? I am a victim. I wanted to be successful, and look at all those people interfering with me. Oh, that person did this, and that person did that. No, those persons did that, that, and that because they were responding not to you. They were responding to the program that you were playing—was disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs. 60% of those programs.

So, Robin’s big understanding about this and why she’s been so effective in helping the world change is helping people recognize that your program may not be supporting you. And the beautiful part about it is you can change those programs—but you have to know how to push the record button. You know, a lot of people go, “Oh, okay. I’m just not going to do that anymore.” That’s a conscious decision, and when you’re conscious, you may not do that. But that’s only 5% of the time. 95% of the time, you’re going to still play the same behavior. And so, thinking you just changed something didn’t change anything.

Robin:

 No, and one of the things we’re inviting people to do is really expand their awareness. So, the ABCs of Murmuration—the A stands for Awareness. You’ve got to be Aware of what’s going on. Now, do you want to be inside thinking, or do you want to be Aware of what you’re doing externally, right? The B stands for Beliefs. We can talk a lot about Beliefs, but it’s we’ve got to adapt to New Perspectives in order to Walk a New Way. And then the C stands for Connect, and our vision is we want to Connect and act as one, like the murmuration.

So, there are things that stand in our way, which you’ve sort of implied on the belief side—the self-sabotage. One of the things that the starlings do (in the research) is that they know when to STEP UP and take the initiative to STEP UP. They know when to STEP BACK and let someone else STEP UP. And they know when to Connect and have mutual trust and respect. So, how can you take that kind of information and relate it to your beautiful information on cells or individual success?

Bruce:

Well, it’s basically what we talked about was this. Who or what is in control of the system? Are you controlling your life? And the answer is yeah—5%. Well, that’s not enough to create, especially since the 95% is coming from a processor—it’s a million times more powerful than your conscious mind. You struggle, and well, you’ve been programmed, and I have to bring this up because the idea is, what is my program? Well, you don’t know most of your programs from Consciousness. Why? When did you get them? Oh, they were being programmed before Consciousness even was activated. You were programmed 3 months before you were born. You were programmed a whole year from zero to one. Can you tell me what program you got when you were zero? You were programmed another whole year from one to two. You want to tell me the programs that you downloaded when you were one and two? No…? Three…? Well, you might begin to have some vision of something happening, but up those first few years, you were programmed, and you have no idea of your programs because you were not consciously aware when the programs were being downloaded.

So now, let me help you very quickly and very easily. 90% of illness on this planet is directly due to stress. Well, what’s the definition of stress? Let me give you the simplest one because it’s the most inclusive, and that is: you have a vision of a destination, and if anything gets in the way, it’s stress. Yeah, and I can see any level, whether that’s your career, whether it’s your relationship, or whatever the hell it is… your health. Stress interferes with getting to your destination. So, what’s the cause of stress? You are operating from programs that you don’t know you have 95% of the day that are sabotaging you, and you’re the only one who doesn’t see it. You know, it’s fun, sometimes you do see it. You know you’re coming out of some process, and all of a sudden, you hear yourself saying something, going, “Oh my God, I was just like my mom exactly. I can’t believe I just said that.” You just caught the tail end of the program that you have downloaded while you were thinking, and it was playing, and you caught the last couple of lines of that program, going, “Oh my God, I know better.”

Robin:

Why did I just do that? I know I shouldn’t do that…” Yeah, exactly.

So, you know, speaking of the illness and the stress, one of the things that I recall you saying years ago is that the energy of your thoughts is a hundred times more potent in influencing cell activity than a chemical is.

Bruce:

Well, I would say infinitely more powerful.

Robin:

Infinitely, yeah. Can you expand on that?

Bruce:

Biology works because inside the cell, there are proteins. And these molecules are like little robotic machines, and they line up some of these proteins—like an assembly line—take some food in. Proteins break it up, break it up, break it up into different proteins, and then they break it into building blocks or any function that you have in your life. There’s a series of proteins that are like engaging and then creating a physical expression. But what coordinates those programs? Signals from the environment. How’s that happen? Well, on the surface of your cells, there are things called receptors. Oh, wait a minute… you and the cell are almost exactly the same in regard to structure and function? Where are your receptors? Eyes, ears, nose, taste, touch, pain, temperature, pressure… they’re built into your skin just like in the cell. So, the cell reads the environment—the signals—and then adjusts the behavior to survive in that environment, and you need to do that by reading what’s going on and then making an adjustment. How does the cell read the environment? Well, there are receptors and, in our case, there are giant structures—eyes and stuff like that. At the cellular level, they’re just single proteins. So, what proteins respond to environmental signals and change their shape? And what the hell does that mean? Where does life come from? We’re made out of proteins. A cadaver is made out of proteins, looks just like you and me, but it’s got no life. What’s the difference between a live person and a dead person, and the answer is: the live person is receiving signals from the environment that are motivating the function to survive and carry out what’s necessary. A dead person is no longer reading those signals, so their proteins don’t move, and that’s why they’re like statues.

Okay, so now we’re talking about where life comes from? Reading the signal. What kind of signals? Well, conventional biology over all the years always talked about signals being chemistry, like hormones and growth factors, emotional chemicals as the signals. But they don’t understand the new physics, which most people don’t have any understanding of, but the word quantum physics (oh, that sounds weird), yeah, well, quantum physics is the most valid science on this planet. Quantum physics recognizes something that’s very difficult for you to understand at this very moment, where you are sitting right now being a physical entity. What’s that? There is no such thing as a physical material object. But, come on, look, I touch one right now!

When quantum physicists took apart the atom, you’ve seen it. At first, they thought atoms were just like a sand grain, a solid thing, and then in 1895, they said wait, there are things inside. There’s a nucleus with protons and neutrons, and there are electrons moving all around; those are small particles. Yeah, quantum physics was when they finally got to say, what the heck are those small particles made out of, and it turns out they were made out of energy fields, energy vortices, nano tornadoes, and forces. And that’s why if you push on something, it’s not physical. But you can feel it? Why? Because it’s a force—nano tornadoes. Look, you can’t drive your car through a tornado; it will push back and could throw the car away. The cells in your body are nanotornaodes, and when you push on them, they push back. Oh, now I can feel it. Then he said, “Yeah, but I can see you.” And I go, “That’s another illusion.” What do you mean you don’t see me? What you see is this—your body is energy; it’s not physical at all. Energy is invisible. So, right away, you’ve got an issue. Well, how can you see me if I’m invisible? And the answer is because when light photons—those are particles of light—that come and when they hit your energy, they bounce back. You don’t see me; you see the reflection of photons. And underneath the veneer of photons, I’m invisible. And if you have an issue about that, then recognize the scans: CAT scan, MRI scan, all these new kinds of energy scans. They don’t read light; they only read energy fields. And so, when you see an image in a CAT scan of a backbone with the vertebrae and the nerves and the muscles and all that. Recognize that the image is actually an image derived from energy; it’s not derived from physical. So, underneath this veneer of photons, we’re invisible, and we’re forces.

So, what the hell am I getting to, and the answer is this: the proteins which have the appearance of physicality respond to signals. And in quantum physics, they talk about the energy around us as the field. Wherever you’re sitting right now—cell phones, television broadcast, radio broadcast, even solar energy is affecting you, and it’s an invisible field. So, in physics, the word field means an invisible moving force that influences what we perceive as the physical world. But that’s the fact of science—the field is the sole generating factor in shaping the physical world. Your biology is not controlled by physical things. It’s controlled by energy fields which receptors, proteins read so the idea is this. You are responding to energy. You are energy, okay, and this response is what controls your biology. What do you think the function of the mind is? Broadcasting energy fields. Why? Put wires on your head so I can read the fields. My thoughts are these energy fields which are shaping my life. And guess what? There’s another device that reads energy fields—it’s called not electroencephalograph, but magnetoencephalogram (MEG). It reads the same function. But what’s the difference? You ready? The probe is out here. So, what does that mean? You never knew this? Your thoughts are not contained in your head. Your thoughts are broadcast into the field, and people that are sensitive enough can read your thoughts and do it, and you do it, and you don’t even know you’re doing it. Why you can feel things before you know things. You can meet somebody, and before you know who they are, you can feel—I don’t like this person; why am I feeling? What are your feelings saying? They’re saying I’m low energy. What’s energy? And I love this—add this little sidebar. Life is energy. The more energy you have, the more life you have. The less energy you have, you compromise your life.

So, the idea is that every atom is not a solid thing. Every atom is like a tuning fork, a vibration, a nano tornado spinning out energy fields. There are energy fields that are in harmony with you. We call those “Good Vibes.” And there are energy fields that can cancel your energy, which we call “bad vibes.” Before you open your mouth, before you say anything, you first experience “The Vibes.” Now, unfortunately, in our development, we get screwed up a bit because we’re programmed to ‘oh, don’t go by your feelings, listen to what the person has to say.’ I say, “the biggest mistake you ever made in your life.” Because the compass of your life is driven by energy. You go to places where the energy gets higher because that means more life, and you avoid places where the energy gets lower because that threatens your life. You’re an energy being. You’re reading energy. Your biology is controlled to accommodate that energy. And we have been living in a Newtonian World. Classical physics—matter and energy are separate things. Quantum physics? No! Matter and energy are the same thing. And so, if you want to understand the human, don’t look at just the matter; you have to understand the energy because the quote—the field is the sole governing force of the particle. And that means your thoughts are shaping your life. Your thoughts are not even contained in your head; your thoughts are broadcast and shaping your life outside as well, but you only have a limited amount of energy influence around you. You can pretty much take care of your own little field, but if you hook up with a community that shares the amplification of that, energy becomes palpable, becomes something that materializes, becomes something that we manifest, and all of a sudden, you are a generator of a field, and you’re controlling your own immediate life with your field shaping your matter. But when we join in a community, and the community is sharing your energy fields the same as you, then every member of the community is an amplifier that amplifies the power of that field. The more powerful the field, the more it manifests reality.

Robin:

Wonderful, beautiful. Thank you. Yeah, and that aligns with our invitation to create murmurations. You know, you’ve got to be in harmony and congruent to amplify that field and to align like…

Bruce:

But you have to recognize you have a field, and if this is the zero point, I say, well, how much of how many of you know you’ve been operating by a field and not by your conscious mind? The answer is zero unless you’ve been with Robin before.

Robin:

Yeah, and so what we’re inviting people to do is really start with themselves. A lot of times, communities or organizations start from this level and ask these people to change. You’ve got to start here, and then you can move into the team or the larger organizational.

Bruce:

I have to just back this up. I want to express my appreciation for Robin because she’s been one of the organizers of what’s called PERK—which is to recognize, look, you get board members, a board of people in a corporation. They’re all sitting around the table, and they’re talking. And guess what? At that moment, they’re in their conscious minds—wishes and desires, “Let’s make this company the best, we’re going to go ahead, we’re going to succeed. We’re going to make a lot of money,” blah blah blah… Everybody’s working in conscious creativity. But when they go back to their office, 95% of life is not coming from that. 95% is coming from their own personal programming they got when they were kids, and some of that program could sabotage the whole damn community. Because they’re not using that program in the board meeting. But when they’re in their office doing their job, that program starts manifesting, and they’re not in harmony with what the board meeting was all about. And all of a sudden, this is why I’ve always admired Robin because she was the one that could bring this to corporations and say, “You know, if you have a problem, it’s not in the board meeting; it’s in the office where the individual is.”

Robin:

Right. Exactly, thank you. Yes, and that’s what we’re trying to bring forward again in this book: let’s focus on the individual. One of the things that I remember us talking about years ago was an alignment between how the cells operated individually and then they chose to merge because each of them had specific capacities, and then that created a larger group. And there’s a metaphor for that in organizations. Do you know what talk I’m talking about?

Bruce:

Yeah, you know, let’s put it this way. An amoeba does everything. It has its own respiratory, digestive, expiratory, nervous system, reproductive system… Every function that you have in your body is a reflection of the cell’s function. So, most of the cells in your body, with the exception of red blood cells, have every function that you have. And at some point, it’s starting to recognize—wait, two can live as cheaply as one. More people, if they come together, can have a more efficient reality than any individual themselves. And all of a sudden, well, let’s get together in a community. Hunters, gatherers. First separation, “I’ll go out and hunt; you stay home, take care of the fire.” Okay, that was a separation of function. But just like in the human body, the amoeba, which can do everything, now I have heart cells—their function is to beat. What about their other needs? When they need to digest food? Oh no, there’s a digestive system that will give them the food. What if they need protection? There’s an immune system that gives them protection. So, cells, instead of becoming multitask-doing everything, specialized and then form communities of specialized cells, unions. There’s a cardiac union. “What’s your job?” “Our job is we beat; we make this heart move.” “And where do you get your food?” “Oh, that’s the digestive system; they get us, not our job (that’s their job, our job is the other people’s job).”

Well, that’s the whole beautiful part about it. The efficiency of specialization encourages us to have 50 trillion cells working in harmony. They’re not all doing the same thing—they’re specialized. Well, in a community, hunter-gatherers were good. But once it got too big, you can’t have everybody go out and hunt… No, there are too many of us to go out. “Okay, I’ll stay home and make a wagon wheel.” “Oh, that’s a nice job.” “Okay, or I’ll do this job.” What’s happening is the hunter-gatherers are now subdividing the function of hunting and gathering into different levels and specializing. And the bigger the community got, the more specialized it got. Well, look at the world today… we’re all humans in this giant community, and all of us have specializations.

Now, the idea is also programming—is what leads to specializations, and all of a sudden, you see where the monkey wrench might come into the system is something called mis-programming. And then all of a sudden, the direction is flawed. And this is the emphasis of Robin’s work here: to say, well, are we on the right track?

Let’s give the science of it because I did not believe in spirituality as a conventional Medical School Professor whose belief was we’re made out of atoms and molecules; they come together in cells, then they die, and then they go back to atoms and molecules and then they come again, or something like that. It was when I started to understand the nature of quantum physics, which again is not part of our conventional medical education because they’re still talking about how the physical body needs physical drugs, right? The new biology—energy biology—says no, the new biology needs energy fields. But the point about it was this, as I mentioned, that on the surface of the cells, there are these antennas that read the environmental signals. And what got to me very quickly was an understanding in medicine that I cannot exchange my organs with you. I can’t put my cells into your body. Why not? Because if I put my cells into your body, your immune system will say ‘not self’—these are somebody else’s cells, and the function is to destroy them. So, I can’t put my cells in your body, and you can’t put your cells in somebody else’s body. Why? There’s identity, and the immune system can read it, but the immune system reads physical things. So, I’m thinking, when I’m understanding this because I also teach Immunology, what is the immune system seeing that makes you and I different enough that my cells will be looked at by your immune system as ‘not self’? Well, remember I said there are these antenna protein receptors? Well, there’s a set of receptors called self-receptors. I love the name; it wasn’t intended, but that was the idea—self-receptors. No two people have the same set of self-receptors. It’s like a station on a radio band; you turn to this station, there’s a station, then you turn it. There’s another station, and each of us is a station on the human band—each of us is receiving a broadcast through our self-receptors, which nobody else has the same set. So, we receive signals that nobody else receives. Where are these signals coming from? The field? It’s the energy in the field that hits these receptors which engages. Wait, my cells respond to a different field than your cell responds to. No two people on the entire planet have the same set of self-receptors. What the hell did it mean? Well, the instant I saw this, I said, oh my God, my life immediately was profoundly upside down. Why? My self-receptors receive myself as a broadcast. It’s an energy field, and my self-receptors on the surface or antennas picking it up. So, wait—if I took off my self-receptor and took them off my cells, they have no more identity. They’re generic—human cell, human liver cell, human muscle cell—whatever, not Bruce’s. Why? Because when you took the antennas off, the personal identity of the SELF got lost.

Get this… you are an identity that is a broadcast picked up from the field and playing through your personal set of self-receptors. And the moment I said that, I said, “Oh my God!” What, the body is like a television set? You are watching the Bruce show on this television set right now? Where’s Bruce’s broadcast? The field. Wait, the field? The invisible moving forces that influence the physical world? Yes, guess what? The self, the individual. The Spirit-definition. Spirit—invisible moving forces that influence the physical world. Quantum physics has identified this. Now, and when I read this years ago, it was like, oh I can’t die? Why not? I’m not in here; I am here. Wait a minute… it’s like there’s a television set. What? You’re watching a TV, and what happened? The TV breaks, it’s dead, it’s not working anymore. It’s gone, dead, put it in the ground. Bury it—it’s dead. Well, the TV died, but what about the broadcast? The broadcast is still there. It’s not part of the TV; it’s a broadcast. So, what’s the point?

A future embryo shows up, which just happens to have the same set of self-receptors that you have right now. You’re back and in a different TV, and this is a wakeup call for people to understand. Does it make a difference if the TV is male or female? Nope, that’s the TV set. Does it make a difference—white, brown, black, red, yellow? No, that’s the TV set. All of us are the broadcast. The TV sets look different, and if you understand this, then all of a sudden, you start to recognize, oh my God, all humans came from the same broadcast band. We’re all the same from that energy field, right? But when we start looking at skin color, gender type, and all that, you’re looking at the wrong thing. You’re looking at the TV, not at the people who are really in there because they’re not in there; they’re broadcast. And then, I have to just add this because, being a scientist, when I said, “Oh my God, I am a Spirit by the energy broadcast, but I am a body,” and I asked myself, a science boy, “Why have both? Why not just be the spirit?” And when I asked that, the answer welled up from 50 trillion cells; the answer came from the cell—I swear to God, I was just sitting there—and that’s when I found out I had Jewish comedian cells. “What do you mean?” I asked a question: “Why have both a body and a spirit?” And the cells answered with a question—they asked me, “Bruce, if you’re just a spirit, what does chocolate taste like?” And I sat there; now, you may have to think about that for another minute. Okay, I sat there, and I said, “Oh my God, this body translates energy fields into vision, it translates it into sound, it translates it into smell and taste and touch and feelings. Love is a translation by the body of an energy called love—you feel love; it’s an energy, and all of a sudden, it’s like, oh my God, this is a virtual reality suit. I can step into the suit, and I can see, I could smell, I can touch, I can taste. I go wow, and I can create.

And then Bruce Lipton, former agnostic science boy, sat there and said, “Oh my God. A. I can’t die; I’m not in here. And B. Why do I have this suit?” Because it enhances my spiritual awareness—not only can I think what love is, but I can also feel what love is. That’s a whole new game, okay? And then, all of a sudden, I added one last thing, and I said, “Yeah, but I’m the one that determines I’m going to go this way or that way or where I’m going to go.” And I guess, well, then I’m creating. And oh, it hit me—everyone thinks if you have a good life, you will die and you can go to heaven where you can create whatever the hell you want. I go, “No, you were born here. This is the place of creation. But you look at your life and go—’I wouldn’t create this mess…!’ You’re not!!! Your program is creating that mess, right?” And when you get the program back in your hands through the work of Robin and the idea of it, then you’re not a victim. You become the real Creator. What is Heaven and Earth? Go back to one last thing that I had mentioned earlier—the movie ‘The Matrix’. I said, “Scientific principle, yeah? Everybody’s been programmed. What about the red pill?” I said most of you have taken that red pill and profoundly changed your life. What was it? When you fell in love… What happened? Your life was blah blah blah blah blah… you meet this person 24 hours later life is beautiful. I love my food, I love the music, even a stupid job I can put up with… I love my life… I go blah blah blah, heaven on Earth… What? Fell in love… what made it work? Science has recognized when you fell in love you stopped thinking… made present or what we call mindful. Look, you’ve been waiting for this person your whole life; they show up—this is not the time to disconnect with thinking. It’s time to be here and enjoy and guess what? When you stop thinking, you stop playing programs. And now your life was not created by the subconscious; now it’s being created by the conscious creative. And what did you create? The honeymoon, heaven on Earth. That was always there—was always there. The only problem is the moment you started thinking, you defaulted to the program, and then heaven on Earth became somebody else’s program in your body not giving you what you want, right?

Robin:

And we thank you, Bruce. That’s beautiful, and you know, we do that same heaven on Earth or same love with relationships—but we also do it in our business experiences.

Bruce:

Is that not a relationship?

Robin:

Yeah, it is, and I’m just making the correlation; it’s not just the personal relationship. We do it with a job, and we love it, and then all of a sudden, it’s like, “Wait…this and this…” So, then our old programs start to show up…

Bruce:

That’s when you went back to the office and left the boardroom, and recognized this: your cells can only thrive because they live in sharing and community. When there’s no community, when the system loses community, do you know what it is? Cancer. Cancer cells have pulled out of the system, saying, ‘they just feed us, man. We’re not doing anything. We don’t know what’s going on, and we’re not going to work with anybody. We’re not gonna!’ They’re separate from everything; they don’t care and they’ll take the system down if they get to the extent of using more energy than is available to the system.

Human civilization is like a human body. We are the cells. Each of us comes from the same source, so we’re all the same cells in the same body. Unfortunately, we’re experiencing what is called autoimmune disease. What’s that? In the body, autoimmune disease is when the system kills its own cells, okay? Those are diseases. They’re usually things like allergies and such that are destroying you from the inside, etc. But we’re doing it on the outside, and the more homeless people you have, that’s a cancer growing in a civilization. Why? What are they contributing to? Nothing, but they’re still living, so they must be taking something from somewhere. They must be getting something, but they’re not giving back. And the idea of civilization—it’s give and take, and it’s most wonderful because if I do my job, I don’t have to worry about the 10,000 other jobs because other people are going to accommodate them, and I’m going to get the benefit. Well, they get the benefit of my job, and that’s why community is our destination. I don’t have to do all the jobs, and if I do my job and it’s a good job, I will be supported by the rest of the community because they recognize a positive contribution.

Robin:

Beautiful, absolutely thank you. You know, it reminds me of something that you’ve spoken of in multiple places: the light coming through a prism.

Bruce:

Yeah, yeah. I always said many of you are familiar with the classic album Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. There’s a prism, and a white beam of light comes in, and the spectrum of light comes out with all the different colors. Well, if you put white light into the prism, refraction splits up the wavelengths, and that’s why you can see all the different colors that make up white light. But it can also go the other way. What do you mean? Put all the colors in on this side, and it comes out as white light on the other side. The issue is this: if you take any single frequency out and put the remaining colors through, you don’t get white light; all the frequencies collectively make white light. Well, in the analogy in our world, people talk about the white light coming to the planet… Another white light—a Jesus, a Mohammad, a Gandhi, a Buddha… whatever. Another white light? You still haven’t caught on. We are the white light. When do we express it? When we all work together, we make white light. If you pull out of the system, then white light is not going to be the net result of where we are, and therefore each of us is doing our frequency, our bit, to contribute to the collective frequency of all of us. And that is evolution. Evolution is not the Darwinian thing you grew up with, which was survival of the fittest in the competition for life—which meant life was a struggle. That’s what you learned. The new biology is completely different; it’s not competition, life is cooperation. Why? A garden is not a battleground. A garden is all of the organisms cooperating to make a garden. And we have taken a garden that we came from and have systematically been destroying it to the extent our own survival as a species is now in question. That civilization, as known by the Science and National Institute of Health, came out and actually said, when it says our civilization—and listen to this—is facing an irreversible collapse within 20 years. What does that mean? Civilizations cannot sustain itself. Why not? Fact! Math is simple… If we want to just stay, keep the world the way it is today, and just let’s go on. It takes 1.6 planet Earth’s resources to provide for today’s civilization. Well, the math is simple, folks, we only have one. That means we’re borrowing into the future and destroying the environment to keep us here today, but we’ve now destroyed the environment so much that our survival is now in question. And that’s why if we don’t change the civilization within the next 20 years, well, it’s all gone to hell then anyway. If we change the civilization, then there’s the birth of something new that we’re doing, and this is why your work, Robin, is very critical. We need a handbook. We need some insights. Give me some instructions on how I can be a participant and create the harmony that we need to avoid extinction. And again, it’s a fact of science; we are not sustainable and can only push this for at most 20 years, and then the end of civilization is here.

Robin:

Yeah, and we have a choice. We have the ability to choose and not be the victim of everything that’s being spoken but to actually change our programs and make a new choice and to create again heaven on Earth.

Bruce:

Well, that’s it. Why should the honeymoon only be a short-lived experience because you experienced it and then at some point it disappeared? Where the hell did it disappear to? How did you create the honeymoon? You stopped playing the programs, right? Why did the honeymoon go away? Because once you start thinking, ‘I still have a job, I have responsibilities, I have to do these things, I got to think where am I going? What am I doing?’ The moment you start engaging in that thinking is again when you re-engage those sabotaging programs. So, the honeymoon starts because you stop thinking, and the honeymoon ends when you start thinking, right?

Robin:

Unless you upgrade some of those programs, and that’s what we do.

Bruce:

Yes, because I wrote a book called The Honeymoon Effect.

Robin:

And a book called The Biology of Belief.

Bruce:

I was fortunate enough to meet Rob Williams and get engaged with the Psych-K process to rewrite the limiting beliefs. And guess what? I couldn’t get a damn relationship off the ground for nearly 50 years. But with the help of Psych-K and my partner Margaret, we’ve had 28 years. Every day, I always like to say, every stinking day, we live heaven on Earth for 28 years. Why? We’re doing what Robin is trying to help with. We changed the beliefs that were sabotaging us and rewrote them into beliefs that would benefit us, and as a result, the honeymoon never ended, and it’s still here.

Robin:

And I’ve seen you both, and yes, you are still in your honeymoon. So, Bruce, I know that we’re at the time, so I want to say thank you. Thank you for your insights, your wisdom, your passion for sharing this, and being with us today. Thank you. 

Bruce:

Robin, I’m here because you are taking that lance and putting it out there in the world and trying to battle the forces of unconsciousness—giving people back their power. I’m honored to be with you because I’ve seen you do your work over the years, and this new evolution of your work will have a bigger and, you know, a much better result because of its influence on a larger portion of the population. So, I’m so excited to be here with you because I have seen you actually take people from a place of unhappiness or wherever they were and ill health into a heaven on Earth experience. And I’ve seen you do it, and now I’m looking forward to you touching many more people.

Robin:

Thank you.